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Gibson LP Pickup differences? - Champagne Charlie - 23:51 30-11-05
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I saw two Les Pauls today, one was the 'Classic' the other the 'Standard'.
Both were 60's slim taper necks. They looked the same except I was told the
pickups were different. The Classic had the 496R (neck) and the 500T
(bridge) pickups, but the Standard had the so-called 'BurstBucker' pickups.
What is the difference between these two guitars, and more importantly, what
is the difference in their pickups?
C.C.
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - M.J.P. - 00:45 01-12-05
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"Champagne Charlie" <FreeSoft@(TakeThisOut)Tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> I saw two Les Pauls today, one was the 'Classic' the other the 'Standard'.
> Both were 60's slim taper necks. They looked the same except I was told
the
> pickups were different. The Classic had the 496R (neck) and the 500T
> (bridge) pickups, but the Standard had the so-called 'BurstBucker'
pickups.
> What is the difference between these two guitars, and more importantly,
what
> is the difference in their pickups?
> C.C.
>
The 496r and 500t are two of the older Gibson pickup varieties.
The burst buckers are a newer type. Supposed to be hotter?
Warmer? The rest of the guitar is probably the same.
Will they let you try them? That would be the best way
to find out the difference CC. Let us know which one
you like better. MJP
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - Sasquatch - 12:27 01-12-05
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> The 496r and 500t are two of the older Gibson pickup varieties.
> The burst buckers are a newer type. Supposed to be hotter?
> Warmer? The rest of the guitar is probably the same.
> Will they let you try them? That would be the best way
> to find out the difference CC. Let us know which one
> you like better. MJP
>
>
Actually, the Burstbuckers are reissues of the original Gibson humbucker
pickups. They hand wind them using the same Alnico magnets, bobbins, wire
composition, turns ratio (which varies on hand wound pickups), etc...
The 496r and 500t are much newer pickups than the Burtbuckers in design, but
the Burstbucker name has only been around since the reissue in about 2000.
Sasquatch
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - Dave Van - 12:41 01-12-05
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Sasquatch wrote:
>>The 496r and 500t are two of the older Gibson pickup varieties.
>>The burst buckers are a newer type. Supposed to be hotter?
>>Warmer? The rest of the guitar is probably the same.
>>Will they let you try them? That would be the best way
>>to find out the difference CC. Let us know which one
>>you like better. MJP
>>
>>
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> Actually, the Burstbuckers are reissues of the original Gibson humbucker
> pickups. They hand wind them...
They do not hand wind them. They designed and spec'd the Burstbuckers
so that the number of windings on the two coils do not match, thus
approximating (Gibson would say "replicating") the tone of the orginals
but without the variation in tone from one pickup to another.
> using the same Alnico magnets, bobbins, wire
> composition, turns ratio (which varies on hand wound pickups), etc...
>
> The 496r and 500t are much newer pickups than the Burtbuckers in design, but
> the Burstbucker name has only been around since the reissue in about 2000.
>
> Sasquatch
>
>
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - boardjunkie - 14:43 01-12-05
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Not sure about the 496 (probably ceramic), but the 500T is a modern
"distortion" humbucker. Measures about 16k dcr and has a ceramic
magnet. Ratty sounding. I removed the ceramic magnet from a 500T and
put in an alnico V bar. Sounds real nice in one of my parts strats.
Basically the same bridge pup I wind for all my guitars. Compare to a
Duncan JB.
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - M.J.P. - 23:33 01-12-05
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"Sasquatch" <thanksbutnothanks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> > The 496r and 500t are two of the older Gibson pickup varieties.
> > The burst buckers are a newer type. Supposed to be hotter?
> > Warmer? The rest of the guitar is probably the same.
> > Will they let you try them? That would be the best way
> > to find out the difference CC. Let us know which one
> > you like better. MJP
> >
> >
>
> Actually, the Burstbuckers are reissues of the original Gibson humbucker
> pickups. They hand wind them using the same Alnico magnets, bobbins, wire
> composition, turns ratio (which varies on hand wound pickups), etc...
>
> The 496r and 500t are much newer pickups than the Burtbuckers in design,
but
> the Burstbucker name has only been around since the reissue in about 2000.
>
> Sasquatch
>
>
So this would be more closer to what is called the
original "PAF"? MJP
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - Rick N. Backer - 00:27 02-12-05
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:33:11 GMT, "M.J.P." <a.anitoli@verizon.net> did
courageously avow:
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>"Sasquatch" <thanksbutnothanks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:dmnbq9$9hht$1@news3.infoave.net...
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>> > The 496r and 500t are two of the older Gibson pickup varieties.
>> > The burst buckers are a newer type. Supposed to be hotter?
>> > Warmer? The rest of the guitar is probably the same.
>> > Will they let you try them? That would be the best way
>> > to find out the difference CC. Let us know which one
>> > you like better. MJP
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Actually, the Burstbuckers are reissues of the original Gibson humbucker
>> pickups. They hand wind them using the same Alnico magnets, bobbins, wire
>> composition, turns ratio (which varies on hand wound pickups), etc...
>>
>> The 496r and 500t are much newer pickups than the Burtbuckers in design,
>but
>> the Burstbucker name has only been around since the reissue in about 2000.
>>
>> Sasquatch
>>
>>
>So this would be more closer to what is called the
>original "PAF"? MJP
>
Gibson claims the BurstBuckers were originally designed and sold only
on guitars destined for the Japanese market. They are, as stated,
supposed to simulate the mismatched windings of the by-gone days. The
Gary Moore Signature LP was the first North American market LP to
carry them.
Ken Wilson
Amer. Dlx. Tele, Gary Moore LP, LP DC Classic w/P90s,
Jeff Beck Strat, Morgan OM Acoustic,
Rick 360/12, Std. Strat (MIM), Mesa 100 Nomad,
Mesa F-30
"Goodnight Austin, Texas, wherever you are."
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - M.J.P. - 08:21 02-12-05
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"Rick N. Backer" <ken.wilson@NsOhSaPw.cAaM> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:33:11 GMT, "M.J.P." <a.anitoli@verizon.net> did
> courageously avow:
>
> >
> >"Sasquatch" <thanksbutnothanks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:dmnbq9$9hht$1@news3.infoave.net...
> >>
> >> > The 496r and 500t are two of the older Gibson pickup varieties.
> >> > The burst buckers are a newer type. Supposed to be hotter?
> >> > Warmer? The rest of the guitar is probably the same.
> >> > Will they let you try them? That would be the best way
> >> > to find out the difference CC. Let us know which one
> >> > you like better. MJP
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Actually, the Burstbuckers are reissues of the original Gibson
humbucker
> >> pickups. They hand wind them using the same Alnico magnets, bobbins,
wire
> >> composition, turns ratio (which varies on hand wound pickups), etc...
> >>
> >> The 496r and 500t are much newer pickups than the Burtbuckers in
design,
> >but
> >> the Burstbucker name has only been around since the reissue in about
2000.
> >>
> >> Sasquatch
> >>
> >>
> >So this would be more closer to what is called the
> >original "PAF"? MJP
> >
> Gibson claims the BurstBuckers were originally designed and sold only
> on guitars destined for the Japanese market. They are, as stated,
> supposed to simulate the mismatched windings of the by-gone days. The
> Gary Moore Signature LP was the first North American market LP to
> carry them.
>
> Ken Wilson
Do you know why just Japan at first? MJP
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - Champagne Charlie - 12:06 02-12-05
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"Rick N. Backer" <ken.wilson@NsOhSaPw.cAaM> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:33:11 GMT, "M.J.P." <a.anitoli@verizon.net> did
> courageously avow:
>
>>
>>"Sasquatch" <thanksbutnothanks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:dmnbq9$9hht$1@news3.infoave.net...
>>>
>>> > The 496r and 500t are two of the older Gibson pickup varieties.
>>> > The burst buckers are a newer type. Supposed to be hotter?
>>> > Warmer? The rest of the guitar is probably the same.
>>> > Will they let you try them? That would be the best way
>>> > to find out the difference CC. Let us know which one
>>> > you like better. MJP
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Actually, the Burstbuckers are reissues of the original Gibson humbucker
>>> pickups. They hand wind them using the same Alnico magnets, bobbins,
>>> wire
>>> composition, turns ratio (which varies on hand wound pickups), etc...
>>>
>>> The 496r and 500t are much newer pickups than the Burtbuckers in design,
>>but
>>> the Burstbucker name has only been around since the reissue in about
>>> 2000.
>>>
>>> Sasquatch
>>>
>>>
>>So this would be more closer to what is called the
>>original "PAF"? MJP
>>
> Gibson claims the BurstBuckers were originally designed and sold only
> on guitars destined for the Japanese market. They are, as stated,
> supposed to simulate the mismatched windings of the by-gone days. The
> Gary Moore Signature LP was the first North American market LP to
> carry them.
>
> Ken Wilson
>
> Amer. Dlx. Tele, Gary Moore LP, LP DC Classic w/P90s,
> Jeff Beck Strat, Morgan OM Acoustic,
> Rick 360/12, Std. Strat (MIM), Mesa 100 Nomad,
> Mesa F-30
>
> "Goodnight Austin, Texas, wherever you are."
This is getting to be an interesting thread! I am watching it closely as I
am learning all the time.
C.C.
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Re: Gibson LP Pickup differences? - Rick N. Backer - 14:22 02-12-05
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:21:08 GMT, "M.J.P." <a.anitoli@verizon.net> did
courageously avow:
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>"Rick N. Backer" <ken.wilson@NsOhSaPw.cAaM> wrote in message
>news:9lmvo1p0p6sb77fndel6k4dovmtuo5cak8@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 04:33:11 GMT, "M.J.P." <a.anitoli@verizon.net> did
>> courageously avow:
>>
>> >
>> >"Sasquatch" <thanksbutnothanks@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >news:dmnbq9$9hht$1@news3.infoave.net...
>> >>
>> >> > The 496r and 500t are two of the older Gibson pickup varieties.
>> >> > The burst buckers are a newer type. Supposed to be hotter?
>> >> > Warmer? The rest of the guitar is probably the same.
>> >> > Will they let you try them? That would be the best way
>> >> > to find out the difference CC. Let us know which one
>> >> > you like better. MJP
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Actually, the Burstbuckers are reissues of the original Gibson
>humbucker
>> >> pickups. They hand wind them using the same Alnico magnets, bobbins,
>wire
>> >> composition, turns ratio (which varies on hand wound pickups), etc...
>> >>
>> >> The 496r and 500t are much newer pickups than the Burtbuckers in
>design,
>> >but
>> >> the Burstbucker name has only been around since the reissue in about
>2000.
>> >>
>> >> Sasquatch
>> >>
>> >>
>> >So this would be more closer to what is called the
>> >original "PAF"? MJP
>> >
>> Gibson claims the BurstBuckers were originally designed and sold only
>> on guitars destined for the Japanese market. They are, as stated,
>> supposed to simulate the mismatched windings of the by-gone days. The
>> Gary Moore Signature LP was the first North American market LP to
>> carry them.
>>
>> Ken Wilson
>
>Do you know why just Japan at first? MJP
>
I think the Japanese market may have been more interested in pursuing
the 'old sound' than the American market at some point. If you go to
Gibson's web site they have a bit of history on the development of the
BurstBuckers. This is where I first became aware of the Japanese link
in the whole story and my memory may be a little sketchy compared to
what you might read on their site.
Ken Wilson
Amer. Dlx. Tele, Gary Moore LP, LP DC Classic w/P90s,
Jeff Beck Strat, Morgan OM Acoustic,
Rick 360/12, Std. Strat (MIM), Mesa 100 Nomad,
Mesa F-30
"Goodnight Austin, Texas, wherever you are."
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