What key are these 2 songs in? - Dan - 20:24 29-11-05
|
|
"House of the Rising Sun" by the Animals (is it A-minor?)
"Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton (is it G?)
Thanks
|
|
|
|
Re: What key are these 2 songs in? - The Chris - 20:50 29-11-05
|
|
"Dan" <iron500@adelphia.net> wrote in news:WNSdnWkZ6PLYYhHeRVn-
tQ@adelphia.com:
> "House of the Rising Sun" by the Animals (is it A-minor?)
>
> "Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton (is it G?)
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
Correct on both accounts...
|
|
|
|
Re: What key are these 2 songs in? - Mick - 20:59 29-11-05
|
|
"Dan" <iron500@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:WNSdnWkZ6PLYYhHeRVn-tQ@adelphia.com...
> "House of the Rising Sun" by the Animals (is it A-minor?)
>
> "Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton (is it G?)
>
> Thanks
>
House of the Rising Sun is indeed in A-Minor (three different flavors of
A-Minor in fact).
Wonderful Tonight is in G if memory serves.
---Mick
|
|
|
|
Re: What key are these 2 songs in? - Dan - 22:08 29-11-05
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: What key are these 2 songs in? - The Chris - 22:39 29-11-05
|
|
"Dan" <iron500@adelphia.net> wrote in
news:E7GdnWcxTIYOihDeRVn-vw@adelphia.com:
> Ok, now if I want to solo using one of the 5 patterns of the major
> scale to "House of the Rising Sun," which is in A-minor, would I play
> the pattern in the key of C which is a relative minor scale according
> to the Circle of 5ths? And if I solo to "Wonderful Tonight," which is
> in the key of G, would I use a major scale pattern in the key of E
> (which is a relative minor scale to the key of G)? Hope this makes
> sense.
>
> My instructor wants me to work on using the patterns of the major
> scale by initially playing the scale in time to a song and then
> gradually work on improvising my own solos or figuring out how to play
> along. Whatever key the song is in, I have to solo within the minor
> scale. Thanks for any help! Dan
>
> "The Chris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns971DD415E6CD921740@129.250.170.85... />
>> "Dan" <iron500@adelphia.net> wrote in news:WNSdnWkZ6PLYYhHeRVn-
>> tQ@adelphia.com:
>>
>>> "House of the Rising Sun" by the Animals (is it A-minor?)
>>>
>>> "Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton (is it G?)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Correct on both accounts...
>
>
>
The thing is - they all have the same notes... the only difference is the
beginning and the ends of the scales - which doesn't even come into play
unless you're just doing scales from top to bottom...
When you say patterns, I don't know if you mean 'position'. Which would
mean, instead of doing the 'G' scale starting on the 3rd fret of the Low E
string, you're staying in the 'second' position - all notes from the 5th
fret up... or 'third' position - everything from the 7th fret up...
That's what I'd get used to doing...
As for 'wonderful tonight' - I don't know if you got confused there. You'd
use E Minor, which is the relative minor of the G major.
Again - same notes - just start in different places - you actually
shouldn't be able to tell the difference.
|
|
|
|
Re: What key are these 2 songs in? - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Klas_T=F6rnquist?= - 04:23 30-11-05
|
|
Mick wrote:
> "Dan" <iron500@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:WNSdnWkZ6PLYYhHeRVn-tQ@adelphia.com...
>
>>"House of the Rising Sun" by the Animals (is it A-minor?)
>>
>>"Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton (is it G?)
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>
>
> House of the Rising Sun is indeed in A-Minor (three different flavors of
> A-Minor in fact).
If you want to sing it, you may have to change the key unless you're
capable of high notes. I use D minor.
Klas
|
|
|
|
Re: What key are these 2 songs in? - Dan - 05:20 30-11-05
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: What key are these 2 songs in? - General Specific - 09:47 30-11-05
|
|
Dan wrote:
> Ok, now if I want to solo using one of the 5 patterns of the major scale to
> "House of the Rising Sun," which is in A-minor, would I play the pattern in
> the key of C which is a relative minor scale according to the Circle of
> 5ths? And if I solo to "Wonderful Tonight," which is in the key of G, would
> I use a major scale pattern in the key of E (which is a relative minor scale
> to the key of G)? Hope this makes sense.
>
> My instructor wants me to work on using the patterns of the major scale by
> initially playing the scale in time to a song and then gradually work on
> improvising my own solos or figuring out how to play along. Whatever key
> the song is in, I have to solo within the minor scale. Thanks for any help!
> Dan
>
> "The Chris" <cabell@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns971DD415E6CD921740@129.250.170.85... />
> > "Dan" <iron500@adelphia.net> wrote in news:WNSdnWkZ6PLYYhHeRVn-
> > tQ@adelphia.com:
> >
I learned using the "patterns" of the major scale, so I know what
you're asking.
Here's a start:
For House of the Rising Sun, find a printout of the Am Pentatonic
scale. Compare this with the patterns of the C Major scale. See where
they overlap?
Now, play along with the song using the Am Pentatonic pattern at the
5th fret. Then, play along with the song using the corresponding C
(Am) pattern at the 5th fret.
You'll find that for certain types of music the Minor Pentatonic scale
just fits. The remaining notes can be added for flavor, but for now
resolve on those pentatonic notes.
For me, it was a major breakthrough when I connected the minor
pentatonics to the major scales.
print out a copy of use the position of the C Major scale which falls
on the 5th fret.
|
|
|
|
Re: What key are these 2 songs in? - Kernix - 10:22 30-11-05
|
|
Yeah, know BOTH your minor and major pents in the CAGED positions, then
notice how the major pent is a skeletal version of the major scale.
Also learn the blues scale and see how the minor pent is a skeltal
version of the blues scale. I took it a few steps further:
1st: Major pent shapes
2nd: Major hexatonic = major pent with the M7 (or B for C maj pent)
added - Cmaj7, Cmaj9, Cmaj13
3rd: Major Scale = major pent with F & B (P4 & M7) added, or Major hex
with F added
* The original major pent shape is maintained throughout - a skeletal
view as I like to think of it.
Then for dom 7th chords with a major feel
1st: Major pent shapes
2nd: Dominant hexatonic - add the b7 (Bb) - C7, C9, C13
**3rd: Mixolydian mode - Major pent with P4 & b7 added
**Skip for now - modes might be advanced for you, but they're easy to
understand. But the basic major pent shape is maintained within these 2
additional scales as well. It's like you don't have to learn anything
new, except where the b7 & M7 is.
Then, for minor chords and bluesy 7ths:
1st: Minor pent shapes
2nd: Blues scales = Minor pent with b5 added - same shape. Way better
for dom 7th's then the minor pent alone
***Advanced modal stuff - the Dorian mode has the minor pent as a
skeletal part, as does Dorian Blues scale (Dorian mode & Blues scale
added together.)
So with 2 basic shapes you can get 9 scales that can cover a lot of
chords, a lot of sounds.
For House of the Rising Sun, C major scale would work but I think you
would want to use a different scale over the E major chord like a C#
minor pent/E Major pent. You could also just switch pentatonics for
each chord change: Am & C maj - use the Am/Cmaj pent; D maj - use D maj
pent; F maj - use F maj pent; E maj - use E maj pent.
Wonderful Tonight - All G major for the A sections - consider switching
pents for each chord change in the Bridge section to give a differnt
sound/approach; or vice versa.
Jim
|
|
|
|
1 |