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Guitar Discussions -> Certain Pedals on Tube Amps
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Certain Pedals on Tube Amps - Jeff - 21:19 24-11-05
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So is it OK to run something like one of those Digitech RP's through a tube
amp? Wondering if they would have any negative effect on the amp.
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps - The Chris - 22:50 24-11-05
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"Jeff" <catfisherman62@123yahoo.com> wrote in
news:qwuhf.11190$Au1.10796@tornado.texas.rr.com:
> So is it OK to run something like one of those Digitech RP's through a
> tube amp? Wondering if they would have any negative effect on the amp.
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There is a whole *technical* side to it, but it really comes down to how
it sounds to you. I used to grapple with pedal outputs, and line
outputs... The conclusion I came to is that different amps have a
different nominal input, and some pedals cause them to act differently.
A perfect example is my Rat pedal. It only sounds good on my Marshall,
and sounds like crap through every other amp. All my Boss distortions
sound great on all my other amps, but not good on my Marshall. My
Marshall has two inputs - a low, and a high sensitivity. I've plugged
line level stuff (preamps, PODS) into that, and they've sounded good -
but you're working with two tone stacks....
Unless something is meant for a speaker output, I'd give it a shot and
see how it sounds. Your ears are much more accurate than some specs on a
page.
Hope that helps..
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps -
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So is it OK to run something like one of those Digitech RP's through a
tube
amp? Wondering if they would have any negative effect on the amp.
It's ok to do anything. :) If it's there, I will try it. I'll often
run junk into
good tube amps. Junk into a good amp is better than junk into a junk
amp. Of course, to be purist picky, yes, adding junk to a good tube
amp does molest the tone, and almost always will be inferior to a good
clean tone. But much of the stuff I play doesn't really require or even
want a good clean tone. :/ I'm a 21st century acid reflux man.
It's when you get into the various clean tones, IE: for blues, and
country,
etc, that the cheap stuff might be undesirable. Fer example, adding
almost any effect to my super reverb degrades the clean tone, and makes
it more grainy, etc...For a blues purist, this may well be undesirable.
When playing in such a mode, I could never add any effect and not
hear a degradation in the sweetness of the sound. I'm more a rocker
really, and often like a nasty acid reflux tone. My sense of tone is
pretty
perverted. Probably from living in the same town as Billy Gibbons for
years on end. :/
MK
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps - tai fu - 06:11 25-11-05
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I was wondering, I got my integrated amplifier (the hi fi ones used for
listening to music), maybe I could like put a digitech RP-200 and plug them
into the main in jack on the integrated amp. Of course I would probably have
to hook them up to a strong speaker (like say a Marshall cab) then turn the
gain and vol all the way up and see how that sounds... The amp can do 165
watts...
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps - Nick DiFranco - 17:01 25-11-05
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If my amp gets the acid reflux tone, I usually feed it the "purple pill" for
sixs day until the tone becomes sweet and fluid.
Has anybody tried plugging into the amp and just playing.?
<nm5k@wt.net> wrote in message
news:1132915845.737975.126060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> So is it OK to run something like one of those Digitech RP's through a
> tube
> amp? Wondering if they would have any negative effect on the amp.
>
> It's ok to do anything. :) If it's there, I will try it. I'll often
> run junk into
> good tube amps. Junk into a good amp is better than junk into a junk
> amp. Of course, to be purist picky, yes, adding junk to a good tube
> amp does molest the tone, and almost always will be inferior to a good
> clean tone. But much of the stuff I play doesn't really require or even
>
> want a good clean tone. :/ I'm a 21st century acid reflux man.
> It's when you get into the various clean tones, IE: for blues, and
> country,
> etc, that the cheap stuff might be undesirable. Fer example, adding
> almost any effect to my super reverb degrades the clean tone, and makes
> it more grainy, etc...For a blues purist, this may well be undesirable.
> When playing in such a mode, I could never add any effect and not
> hear a degradation in the sweetness of the sound. I'm more a rocker
> really, and often like a nasty acid reflux tone. My sense of tone is
> pretty
> perverted. Probably from living in the same town as Billy Gibbons for
> years on end. :/
> MK
>
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps - Newsgroups.comcast.net - 22:32 25-11-05
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It may be destructive to the amp (maybe not if it's a well - built high -
current unit) to start out with it maxed out... Try plugging a CD into the
jam along and set the listening level on the amp. It should be clean. Then
adjust the pedal and guitar volume. In any case, you do want to keep the
amp level comparatively high so that you dont overdrive the thing into
distortion. Hi Fi amps don't respond well to distortion. They tend to have
a narrow ideal input voltage and will clip well before an instrument amp
will.
Your 165 watt hi fi amp probably wont drive the Marshall cab as loud as a 5
watt tube head or a 30 watt PA. Lack of headroom, current regulation,
extreme distortion, circuit heat, and internal protection circuitry will all
be players in this act. There is a reason for the differentiation between
home stereo and pro sound.
Steve
"tai fu" <sdfgsdfg@aol.com> wrote in message
news:dm6rhl$4mt$1@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu...
>I was wondering, I got my integrated amplifier (the hi fi ones used for
> listening to music), maybe I could like put a digitech RP-200 and plug
> them
> into the main in jack on the integrated amp. Of course I would probably
> have
> to hook them up to a strong speaker (like say a Marshall cab) then turn
> the
> gain and vol all the way up and see how that sounds... The amp can do 165
> watts...
>
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps - tai fu - 06:04 26-11-05
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Yea, I guess hi fi amps are designed for reproducing sound, not producing
sounds... whats the least I can spend on a tube amp anyways? I know tube hi
fi amps costs way more than a tube guitar amp, what gives?
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps - quiet_table - 14:35 26-11-05
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:19:02 GMT, "Jeff" <catfisherman62@123yahoo.com>
wrote:
>So is it OK to run something like one of those Digitech RP's through a tube
>amp? Wondering if they would have any negative effect on the amp.
>
I have an ampeg V4BH that I play a big muff through. no problems.
although the ampeg has 10 tubes in all, so it can handle pretty much
anything. the big muff is one of the awesome early russian ones (big
green monster). what a pedal. but anyways, yeah you can play effects
through a tube amp.
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps -
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f my amp gets the acid reflux tone, I usually feed it the "purple pill"
for
sixs day until the tone becomes sweet and fluid.
Has anybody tried plugging into the amp and just playing.?
Oh I do from time to time, but honestly, it gets kinda boring to me...
But I prefer my super reverb clean vs dirty as far as pure tone.
That doesn't mean I wanna sound like that all day though... :/
I can't get enough sustain from a clean amp to play much of the
stuff I play unless it's on 12. I need my lights and blinky things
to help brown the food. I hate an overly dry sound. Even clean,
I like a little echo, reverb, or whatever to fatten things up.
MK
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Re: Certain Pedals on Tube Amps - Newsgroups.comcast.net - 02:33 29-11-05
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The least you can spend is probably not the best way to look at it. Try
checking out what is available in the music stores in your area. Try the
really expensive equipment to get an idea of what the high end can deliver.
Then try the less expensive gear... I think you will be surprised at how
close you can get to the high priced gear with the less expensive combos.
Once you have an idea of where you want to go with your tone, save up for
the gear that will deliver it. The V series Crates really sound good for
the money, as do the Fender Blues Jr, and the Traynor small combo. You can
also look on eBay and the pawn shops. Some of the good - sounding vintage
Fender and MusicMan amps are getting pricey, but you might find a good deal.
The most important thing for you to do is to play a bunch of amps, though.
Get a feel for the tone per dollar that the stuff will deliver and then look
for the right deal.
Steve
"tai fu" <sdfgsdfg@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Yea, I guess hi fi amps are designed for reproducing sound, not producing
> sounds... whats the least I can spend on a tube amp anyways? I know tube
> hi
> fi amps costs way more than a tube guitar amp, what gives?
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