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quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - Grant W. Petty - 12:32 14-11-05
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I know this isn't about guitars, but a lot of people in these ng's are in
working bands. My four-piece classic rock cover band has a lead on a
corporate gig for InsertName Graphics Plant, with 500+ guests expected
(presumably employees and families). We'll have to travel 1:45 each way.
Gig starts at 6:00, ends at 9:00.
Normally, we get about $400 for bar gigs, $1500 for wedding gigs with
200-300 guests. Based on these benchmarks, what should we ask for a
corporate gig of the above type (we haven't done corporate gigs before).
We were the only band contacted about the gig through the particular agency
we work with; I don't know if they're looking at other bands as well.
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - PRS GEEK - 14:10 14-11-05
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2K
500 per guy...
Jeff
"Grant W. Petty" <gpetty@aos.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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> I know this isn't about guitars, but a lot of people in these ng's are in
> working bands. My four-piece classic rock cover band has a lead on a
> corporate gig for InsertName Graphics Plant, with 500+ guests expected
> (presumably employees and families). We'll have to travel 1:45 each way.
> Gig starts at 6:00, ends at 9:00.
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> Normally, we get about $400 for bar gigs, $1500 for wedding gigs with
> 200-300 guests. Based on these benchmarks, what should we ask for a
> corporate gig of the above type (we haven't done corporate gigs before).
> We were the only band contacted about the gig through the particular
> agency we work with; I don't know if they're looking at other bands as
> well.
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - Odin - 16:13 14-11-05
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"Grant W. Petty" <gpetty@aos.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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> I know this isn't about guitars, but a lot of people in
these ng's are in
> working bands. My four-piece classic rock cover band has
a lead on a
> corporate gig for InsertName Graphics Plant, with 500+
guests expected
> (presumably employees and families). We'll have to travel
1:45 each way.
> Gig starts at 6:00, ends at 9:00.
>
> Normally, we get about $400 for bar gigs, $1500 for
wedding gigs with
> 200-300 guests. Based on these benchmarks, what should we
ask for a
> corporate gig of the above type (we haven't done corporate
gigs before).
> We were the only band contacted about the gig through the
particular agency
> we work with; I don't know if they're looking at other
bands as well.
I'd say anywhere from $1200 to $2000, depending on the
particulars. I'd be looking for the higher end of the pay
scale due to the 3.5 hours round trip drive time. 3 hours
gig time is nice and short, but I tell people that they're
paying me for the drive time and setup/tear down, and this
gig sounds like work to me.
Also, get every possible detail well in advance. The gig is
so far away that you can't check out the venue beforehand,
and the people who book bands for private events usually
don't know jack about what it takes to have a live band.
It's not uncommon for a high dollar event to expect the band
to set up in 20 minutes, play in a small corner of the room,
run everything off a single 15A outlet and carry the gear
upstairs and through the kitchen. The load in and setup may
dictate the price.
In particular, get a specific load in time (that gives you
enough time to do your thing with at least an hour buffer
for the unknown), details about the stage area and power
available, etc... and find out who is paying you at the show
if it's not paid by the agent. Secure payment up front when
you get there if possible.
Use a contract and get a deposit. Feel free to use my
contract. I wrote it years ago and have modified it over
the years as I encountered situations that needed to be
covered. Like any contract, it ain't lawyerproof but it's a
solid start to eliminating problems. Download it here
http://www.southbound.org/images/promo/standard_contract.doc
Above all else, be professional, even if you pass on the
gig. Private events are good gigs, and agents and clients
book bands on their business reputation, not their musical
prowess. Be the band that's easy to deal with and has their
shit together and you'll land more of these gigs. Good
luck.
PS - It's generally considered bad form to request audience
members to "show yer tits" at corporate events. Don't ask
how I know these things, just take my word for it.
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - RichCI - 16:21 14-11-05
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Odin wrote:
> "Grant W. Petty" <gpetty@aos.wisc.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.60.0511141127240.9521@cloud.aos.wisc.edu...
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> > I know this isn't about guitars, but a lot of people in
> these ng's are in
> > working bands. My four-piece classic rock cover band has
> a lead on a
> > corporate gig for InsertName Graphics Plant, with 500+
> guests expected
> > (presumably employees and families). We'll have to travel
> 1:45 each way.
> > Gig starts at 6:00, ends at 9:00.
> >
> > Normally, we get about $400 for bar gigs, $1500 for
> wedding gigs with
> > 200-300 guests. Based on these benchmarks, what should we
> ask for a
> > corporate gig of the above type (we haven't done corporate
> gigs before).
> > We were the only band contacted about the gig through the
> particular agency
> > we work with; I don't know if they're looking at other
> bands as well.
>
> I'd say anywhere from $1200 to $2000, depending on the
> particulars. I'd be looking for the higher end of the pay
> scale due to the 3.5 hours round trip drive time. 3 hours
> gig time is nice and short, but I tell people that they're
> paying me for the drive time and setup/tear down, and this
> gig sounds like work to me.
>
> Also, get every possible detail well in advance. The gig is
> so far away that you can't check out the venue beforehand,
> and the people who book bands for private events usually
> don't know jack about what it takes to have a live band.
> It's not uncommon for a high dollar event to expect the band
> to set up in 20 minutes, play in a small corner of the room,
> run everything off a single 15A outlet and carry the gear
> upstairs and through the kitchen. The load in and setup may
> dictate the price.
>
> In particular, get a specific load in time (that gives you
> enough time to do your thing with at least an hour buffer
> for the unknown), details about the stage area and power
> available, etc... and find out who is paying you at the show
> if it's not paid by the agent. Secure payment up front when
> you get there if possible.
>
> Use a contract and get a deposit. Feel free to use my
> contract. I wrote it years ago and have modified it over
> the years as I encountered situations that needed to be
> covered. Like any contract, it ain't lawyerproof but it's a
> solid start to eliminating problems. Download it here
> http://www.southbound.org/images/promo/standard_contract.doc
>
> Above all else, be professional, even if you pass on the
> gig. Private events are good gigs, and agents and clients
> book bands on their business reputation, not their musical
> prowess. Be the band that's easy to deal with and has their
> shit together and you'll land more of these gigs. Good
> luck.
>
> PS - It's generally considered bad form to request audience
> members to "show yer tits" at corporate events. Don't ask
> how I know these things, just take my word for it.
To add to what Odin said...
Are you bringing your own PA, paying a contrator or is it being
supplied? You'll definitely want to factor that into your price.
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - Grant W. Petty - 21:47 14-11-05
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Odin wrote:
> Also, get every possible detail well in advance. The gig is
> so far away that you can't check out the venue beforehand,
> and the people who book bands for private events usually
> don't know jack about what it takes to have a live band.
> It's not uncommon for a high dollar event to expect the band
> to set up in 20 minutes, play in a small corner of the room,
> run everything off a single 15A outlet and carry the gear
> upstairs and through the kitchen. The load in and setup may
> dictate the price.
Yeah, these are all things we'd clarify before committing.
Still need to work out *exactly* what our power requirement is. We've
always gotten by on a single 15A outlet but we're probably tempting fate.
I put 20A in the contract just to give us a little margin. Most of the
power draw is probably the bass head and the PA amp -- our guitar amps are
only 15-30W (output) each. Some day, I'll inventory the power draw of all
our
gear ...
> In particular, get a specific load in time (that gives you
> enough time to do your thing with at least an hour buffer
> for the unknown),
We generally like three hours -- one for set up, one for a solid sound
check, one for surprises.
> solid start to eliminating problems. Download it here
> http://www.southbound.org/images/promo/standard_contract.doc
Already got one. It might even be based on one you (or someone in this
forum) posted about a year ago.
> Above all else, be professional, even if you pass on the
> gig. Private events are good gigs, and agents and clients
> book bands on their business reputation, not their musical
> prowess. Be the band that's easy to deal with and has their
> shit together and you'll land more of these gigs.
That's actually one of our big selling points. We don't look or act like
we might have our way with the bride's mom. Two of us are university
professors and the whole band makes a pretty civilized impression compared
with a lot of the punk and metal bands around here. And we're
professional, dependable, and flexible in our business dealings. Our client
feedback (from two weddings, so far) is straight 10s on our gigmasters.com
site: http://www.gigmasters.com/rock/TheSundogs
> PS - It's generally considered bad form to request audience
> members to "show yer tits" at corporate events. Don't ask
> how I know these things, just take my word for it.
Good point. We'll stick to doing that only at weddings.
thanks
Grant
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - §cİİt§ - 22:59 14-11-05
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - Weekendshooter - 08:31 15-11-05
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Hello Grant,
Grant W. Petty wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Odin wrote:
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> Still need to work out *exactly* what our power requirement is. We've
> always gotten by on a single 15A outlet but we're probably tempting fate.
> I put 20A in the contract just to give us a little margin. Most of the
> power draw is probably the bass head and the PA amp -- our guitar amps are
> only 15-30W (output) each. Some day, I'll inventory the power draw of all
> our gear ...
The folks at alt.audio.pro.live-sound turned me on to this little
gizmo:
Kill A Watt Power Meter from Safehome products:
http://www.safehomeproducts.com/SHP2/SM/ELECTRICITY_MONITOR.ASP?SOURCE=FROOGLE&KW=SM%2DP3%2DP4400%2D2&HASH=SM%2DP3%2DP4400%2D2&b=ie6c&w=930&h=633&f=N&tp=11893&frompg=114&topg=114&menupage=5
It won't give you insight into quick current peaks but will give you a
gross idea if you're gear sits with respect to the breaker. Also,
fuses are generally slow burn that can tolerate reasonable "glitches",
I leave mine packed along in the "take this bag to places we're unsure
of kit".
Instead of mounting it into the wall outlets, I run the cord to the
meter and mount the meter I can keep an eye on it, than draw power from
it. For grins, have everybody turn everything on at the same time.
Along with my pedal board, It's an interesting conversation piece.
Do well !!! :-)
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - Les Cargill - 18:55 15-11-05
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§cİİt§ wrote:
> "Grant W. Petty" <gpetty@aos.wisc.edu> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.60.0511141127240.9521@cloud.aos.wisc.edu...
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>>I know this isn't about guitars, but a lot of people in these ng's are in working bands. My four-piece classic rock cover band
>>has a lead on a corporate gig for InsertName Graphics Plant,
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What, to celebrate being delisted?
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Les Cargill
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - Frank D. Greco - 23:27 15-11-05
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"Grant W. Petty" <gpetty@aos.wisc.edu> sez:
>I know this isn't about guitars, but a lot of people in these ng's are in
>working bands. My four-piece classic rock cover band has a lead on a
>corporate gig for InsertName Graphics Plant, with 500+ guests expected
>(presumably employees and families). We'll have to travel 1:45 each way.
>Gig starts at 6:00, ends at 9:00.
Minimum for us: $100/hr/person...
e.g., 5 man band, 5 hr gig+travel(3+2) = $2500
A corp considers you a deductable entertainment expense, unlike
a wedding and a bar.
>Normally, we get about $400 for bar gigs, $1500 for wedding gigs with
>200-300 guests. Based on these benchmarks, what should we ask for a
$1500 for wedding gigs? You're undercharging.
$400 for bar gigs? You're lucky. ;+
Frank G.
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Re: quick advice needed - corporate gig fee - Grant W. Petty - 21:14 18-11-05
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> "Grant W. Petty" <gpetty@aos.wisc.edu> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.6=
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n working bands. My four-piece classic rock cover band
>> has a lead on a corporate gig for InsertName Graphics Plant,
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> Silicon
Actually, no. I'd charge more if that were the case.
Speaking of which, when I first posted this question, there were two bits=
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of information I didn't know that I now know:
1) They say they're expecting about 8,000 people!! I had previously known=
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only "500+" without knowing what the "+" meant.
2) They're providing their own sound. Which is good. I wouldn't want to=
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try to figure out how provide adequate sound for a crowd that size.
So, uhm, is there any basis for asking for a higher fee when you know=20
you're going to be dealing with that huge of a crowd? 50 cents a head,=20
maybe?
They've already said they probably want to hire us, and they're going to=20
drive an hour and a half one way just to check us out at our next (much=20
smaller) gig.
- Grant
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