22 vs. 24 Frets? - exotic-scales - 08:30 13-11-05
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I was just perusing the latest Musician's Fiend catalog & noticed that PRS
offers two guitars, at the same price, that only differ in that one has 22
frets and the other 24. I never gave the matter any thought before, but now
wonder: is there some advantage to having 22 frets instead of 24?
joe
http://www.exotic-scales.com
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Re: 22 vs. 24 Frets? - harryj - 09:10 13-11-05
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"exotic-scales" <jbefumo@exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
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>I was just perusing the latest Musician's Fiend catalog & noticed that PRS
>offers two guitars, at the same price, that only differ in that one has 22
>frets and the other 24. I never gave the matter any thought before, but now
>wonder: is there some advantage to having 22 frets instead of 24?
>
> joe
> http://www.exotic-scales.com
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Joe,
The placement of the neck pickup is the issue. A 24 fret guitar puts the
neck pickup a touch closer to the bridge. A little less warmth and depth to
my ears.
I do find that this is far more an issue when a single is in the neck, and
you are trying to get the Strat neck tone. That being said I do have two 24
frets myself... with 'buckers in the neck.
There is however a cool advantage to the pickup placement. If you access the
2 inner coils in parallel, you can get a pretty nice semi Strat quack tone.
A good bit better than the tone of the 2 inner coils on a 22 fret guitar
HJ
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Re: 22 vs. 24 Frets? - Brian Hill - 11:28 13-11-05
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Re: 22 vs. 24 Frets? - Flinstoneyerfired - 14:07 13-11-05
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Yeah, what Brian and Harry said. I remember when my Hamer Diablo was my
main guitar (needs work now) it had a 24 fret neck. I remember
switching to my 22 fret Ibanez and frequently reaching for the extra
high E during solos only to run out of real estate on the Ibanez. It
made me learn how to bend and vibrato a high E on the 22nd fret
better-lol.
Mike
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Re: 22 vs. 24 Frets? - A Fourforty - 14:27 13-11-05
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Brian Hill wrote:
> "exotic-scales" <jbefumo@exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
> news:11neg0g5o36ne98@corp.supernews.com...
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>>I was just perusing the latest Musician's Fiend catalog & noticed that PRS
>>offers two guitars, at the same price, that only differ in that one has 22
>>frets and the other 24. I never gave the matter any thought before, but now
>>wonder: is there some advantage to having 22 frets instead of 24?
>>
>>joe
>>http://www.exotic-scales.com
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>>
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> Well with the 24 you can get a few higher notes but with the 22 your neck
> pickup is closer to the harmonic sweet spot and thats why some say the 22
> sounds better to them.
>
When Steve Morse designed his Ernie Ball/Musicman signature model, he
decided against a 24 fret neck because he wanted the neck pickup in that
sweet spot.
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Re: 22 vs. 24 Frets? - Keith Adams - 16:24 13-11-05
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You guys talk of a harmonic sweet spot like its relevent. Yes the
strings vibrate in a wider pattern farther up the neck but a good
guitar sounds sweet anywhere.The sweet spot also changes everytime you
move your fingers on the neck. What you're doing is changing the scale
length with your fingers being the adjustable nut. I find the middle
pickup in general has a better tone than the neck.
"exotic-scales" <jbefumo@exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
news:11neg0g5o36ne98@corp.supernews.com...
I was just perusing the latest Musician's Fiend catalog & noticed that
PRS
offers two guitars, at the same price, that only differ in that one has
22
frets and the other 24. I never gave the matter any thought before, but
now
wonder: is there some advantage to having 22 frets instead of 24?
joe
http://www.exotic-scales.com
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Keith Adams wrote:
> You guys talk of a harmonic sweet spot like its relevent. Yes the
> strings vibrate in a wider pattern farther up the neck but a good
> guitar sounds sweet anywhere.The sweet spot also changes everytime you
> move your fingers on the neck. What you're doing is changing the scale
> length with your fingers being the adjustable nut. I find the middle
> pickup in general has a better tone than the neck.
>
> "exotic-scales" <jbefumo@exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
> news:11neg0g5o36ne98@corp.supernews.com...
> I was just perusing the latest Musician's Fiend catalog & noticed that
> PRS
> offers two guitars, at the same price, that only differ in that one has
> 22
> frets and the other 24. I never gave the matter any thought before, but
> now
> wonder: is there some advantage to having 22 frets instead of 24?
>
> joe
> http://www.exotic-scales.com
As you said, the harmonic sweet spot is a myth. It's only at the
twelfh fret for the open G6 chord, i.e., the open strings. Any
fingering of the neck moves the "sweet spot" to multiple different
spots. When is that one going to die?
However, there may be something to the closer to the bridge argument.
That seems undeniable.
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Re: 22 vs. 24 Frets? - winnard - 20:58 13-11-05
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"exotic-scales" <jbefumo@exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
news:11neg0g5o36ne98@corp.supernews.com...
> I was just perusing the latest Musician's Fiend catalog & noticed that PRS
> offers two guitars, at the same price, that only differ in that one has 22
> frets and the other 24. I never gave the matter any thought before, but
now
> wonder: is there some advantage to having 22 frets instead of 24?
>
Yes, if you play 'Take It On The Run' by REO Speedwagon, you can hit that
last high note in the solo with a 24 fret.
winnard
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Re: 22 vs. 24 Frets? - harryj - 22:15 13-11-05
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"Keith Adams" <keithadams@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> You guys talk of a harmonic sweet spot like its relevent. Yes the
> strings vibrate in a wider pattern farther up the neck but a good
> guitar sounds sweet anywhere.The sweet spot also changes everytime you
> move your fingers on the neck. What you're doing is changing the scale
> length with your fingers being the adjustable nut. I find the middle
> pickup in general has a better tone than the neck.
>
> "exotic-scales" <jbefumo@exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
> news:11neg0g5o36ne98@corp.supernews.com...
> I was just perusing the latest Musician's Fiend catalog & noticed that
> PRS
> offers two guitars, at the same price, that only differ in that one has
> 22
> frets and the other 24. I never gave the matter any thought before, but
> now
> wonder: is there some advantage to having 22 frets instead of 24?
>
> joe
> http://www.exotic-scales.com
>
>
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I suppose it's subjective, but I can hear the difference between the 2 coils
of a single sized 'bucker let alone the placement of the neck pickup.
If your theory is that the pickup placement "sweet spot" changes based on
where you are fretting, would it make sense that a neck pickup would sound
the same as a bridge pickup if I fret in the right spot?
Harry J
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Re: 22 vs. 24 Frets? - Don Evans - 22:46 13-11-05
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"harryj" <nospam@harryjdotnet> wrote in message
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> "Keith Adams" <keithadams@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> You guys talk of a harmonic sweet spot like its relevent. Yes the
>> strings vibrate in a wider pattern farther up the neck but a good
>> guitar sounds sweet anywhere.The sweet spot also changes everytime you
>> move your fingers on the neck. What you're doing is changing the scale
>> length with your fingers being the adjustable nut. I find the middle
>> pickup in general has a better tone than the neck.
>>
>> "exotic-scales" <jbefumo@exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
>> news:11neg0g5o36ne98@corp.supernews.com...
>> I was just perusing the latest Musician's Fiend catalog & noticed that
>> PRS
>> offers two guitars, at the same price, that only differ in that one has
>> 22
>> frets and the other 24. I never gave the matter any thought before, but
>> now
>> wonder: is there some advantage to having 22 frets instead of 24?
>>
>> joe
>> http://www.exotic-scales.com
>>
>>
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> I suppose it's subjective, but I can hear the difference between the 2
> coils of a single sized 'bucker let alone the placement of the neck
> pickup.
> If your theory is that the pickup placement "sweet spot" changes based on
> where you are fretting, would it make sense that a neck pickup would sound
> the same as a bridge pickup if I fret in the right spot?
>
> Harry J
>
If you play a high D on a 22 fret guitar with identical pickups at the
bridge and neck, you will be hard pressed to tell one from the other,
assuming that the bridge is the same distance from the bridge pickup as the
neck pickup from the 22nd fret, and the heights are the same. (I just
tried it to make sure :-) ).
That said, the "harmonic sweet spot" on a 22 fret guitar still exists,
unless you downtune and play everything up a couple of keys. That's to
say, a 24 fret guitar played in F# with the strings tuned to D - D will
sound like a 22 fret guitar played in E tuned E - E. Otherwise, each
position will be affected by the pickup location. I can hear the
differences you are talking about too... it's not that subtle, and I don't
understand why people think this is a myth. Playing in higher positions
doesn't change the relative pickup positions.
Don
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